Posted May 27, 2016 by Julian O'Dea in Uncategorized. Tagged: Philosophy, religion. 5 Comments
Fair or not?
Posted by Julian O'Dea on May 27, 2016 at 5:53 am
What I wrote before on misotheism or “hatred of God”:
Posted by Word Journeyer on May 27, 2016 at 7:12 am
Fair. Atheists know there is/are no God/s. So what they hate is not god, but instead what are in all cases delusional manifestations of His influence on reality. Namely: war, bigotry and injustice, to name a few.
As an atheism leaning agnostic, I take particular issue with theists’ claims that justice is a product of religion. Which is not true. While civilisation may not precede (extremely primitive) religion, it is civilisation that birthed law and morality as we (variably) know it today. Religion merely adopted it, unfortunately in ways which some theists refuse to adapt to the way society changes around them. No man might be an island, but strict interpretations of centuries old dogma often are, and are so far underwater as to be unreachable by sound logic and reason but refusing to drown in fact.
It has nothing to do with hatred of the Father. And everything to do with hatred of irrationality – something which many women are ironically accused of by irrationally dogmatic men. Islamic (often not even) extremists being the principal perpetrators, today.
Posted by RichardP on May 27, 2016 at 8:53 am
@Word Journeyer: “Athiest know there is no God …” I am both amused and saddened by the vigorousness with which some folks assert that they know the unknowable.
Separate thought: The animal kingdom, if not the plant kingdom as well, evolved / was made to thrive when attention is paid and to fail to thrive under indifference.
What emotion is generated in us when we know for certain that we are “seen” by a certain entity, and that entity is quite obviously indifferent to us / our difficulty / our pain?
If we accept that indifference is the opposite of what we need in order to thrive, then we can see that there is a suvival mechanism at work in us when we have strong negative emotions against someone who should be attentive to us but is instead indifferent. Theoretically, that strong negative emotion steers us away from those who would decrease the liklihood of us thriving and toward those who would increase the liklihood of us thriving through being attentive to us. Theoretically. Realistically, it is impossible for this to take place with young children, since they have no control over their environment.
If we accept something like that as the standard, and limit this comment to those fathers who “see” our predicament and are indifferent to us / our predicament, there are certain fathers where it is logical to hate them – including certain concepts of God. Doing so is a survival mechanism.
This psychology would apply to females as well as males. How is it psychologically healthy to “love” one who can “see” us, can “see” our difficulty and pain, and is indifferent to us / our predicament?
I believe strongly that this issue of indifference to another’s pain is at the heart of the psychology of hating the father figure – whether a real earthly father, or an eternal heavenly father. It’s a survival mechanism. [More in-depth discussion of this would go on to separate out this survival mechanism developed as an uninformed adolescent from the more complex, complicated survival mechanism adopted by the more-informed adult.]
Posted by Zeta on May 27, 2016 at 9:07 am
To understand how it actually works one must take into account the law of karma and reincarnation. Unfortunately for Christians, Justinian anathematized teaching of the pre-existence of the soul at the 2nd council of Constantinople in the 6th century AD. Technically speaking Catholics didn’t sign on to it because Pope Vigilius refused to sign the document even though he been kidnapped and brought to Constantinople by force. But to date even though many early church fathers like Origen accepted reincarnation it was cast out of Christianity, and thus Christians and Abrahamic religions in general struggle inadequately to explain the existence of evil in the world.
Posted by gaikokumaniakku on May 27, 2016 at 1:39 pm
“brevity is the soul of wit”
And your post is so very brief, and so very witty!
Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:
You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Twitter account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Facebook account. ( Log Out / Change )
You are commenting using your Google+ account. ( Log Out / Change )
Connecting to %s
Notify me of new comments via email.
Notify me of new posts via email.
Blog at WordPress.com.