Nazi bitches: an interesting comment

Hitler’s Furies: German Women in the Nazi Killing Fields” by Wendy Lower.

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From one of the “two star” comments on the book:

“The book is crippled from page one by a dichotomy that lies at the heart of modern feminism. If women are no different than men it follows that it is no revelation that some women killed like men. But, if women ARE different than men, it follows that the rationale for feminism disappears. After all, the foundation for that difference would have to be located in a propensity to birth and nurture children — and if this is so, abortion is a desecration of the basic feminine character. This is no petty dispute and throughout this book the author wears herself out declaiming how how the violent fraus and frauleins of 1939-1945 were unnatural in their lack of maternal instinct.

Considered as history, this book adds absolutely nothing to scholarship. Browning, Goldhagen and a host of others have retailed how the wives and daughters of German officers on the Eastern Front witnessed mass executions. These women took snapshots (we have them) and, ghastly as it seems, accompanying one’s SS boyfriend to a mass murder was just a form of “date night” in, say, 1943.” [Emphasis in bold added.]

I have no easy answer to the question the commenter raises. It particularly puzzles me that the same woman who is prepared to have her baby aborted may be so fond of another baby she chooses not to have aborted. I have speculated that this might be hormonal. After birth, bonding hormones like oxytocin may come into play.

The whole subject is both puzzling and a bit bleak.

On the question of whether the sexes differ much psychologically, I would have to say that cross-cultural evidence suggests that they do; but also that, with say Swedish levels of social conditioning, the sexes can be made to approximate more closely in behaviour. Although, it has also been noted that men and women still tend to gravitate to traditional jobs even in Sweden. The women become nurses, the men engineers, that kind of thing; or so I seem to recall.

Turning to the Manosphere, there is also a contradiction at the heart of the thinking about men. On the one hand, it is claimed that “boys will be boys”. While on the other hand, it is bemoaned that boys are becoming feminised. So, which is it? Is nature powerful, or can social conditions override it?

ADDENDUM: Where I think there may be room for an interesting book or two is in examining the role of women in supporting fascist and Nazi rises to power. I am not sure about Italian fascism, but I have seen claims that Hitler was elected, basically, with the support of women voters. The Nazis never mobilised women, which I suppose was partly because of their conservative social ideology; but a secondary reason might have been a kind of tacit agreement in return for strong female support.

Women 'black-shirts'  from Sir Oswald Mosley's British Union of Fascists on parade in Liverpool give the fascist salute. Their uniform is a black shirt and tie, beret and slightly flared skirts. All are wearing high heel shoes of various styles.   (Photo by Fox Photos/Getty Images)

Women ‘black-shirts’ from Sir Oswald Mosley’s British Union of Fascists on parade in Liverpool give the fascist salute. Their uniform is a black shirt and tie, beret and slightly flared skirts. All are wearing high heel shoes of various styles. (Photo by Fox Photos/Getty Images)

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