5 responses to this post.

  1. Posted by slumlord on August 7, 2014 at 11:29 pm

    Looks expensive and high maintenance.


    • Posted by Julian O'Dea on August 12, 2014 at 9:44 pm

      I have commented previously on this teaching from JPII at this blog. I think I have seen Dilsaver’s thoughts too.

      My opinion is that the pope’s exegesis is dubious and not fully traditional. However, careful reading, including of the supporting material and Ratzinger’s remarks at the time, allows a traditional interpretation. For example, male headship is upheld.

      Moreover, too much is made of one document by both liberals and conservatives. Especially given its low level of authority as a document, its oddly discursive and unclear style, and what seems to be a poor English translation.

      So yes, it was sloppy teaching. And very untimely. For what it is worth, I think Pope Francis is a bit more realistic about women, and not a feminist.


      • Posted by T. Chan on August 13, 2014 at 9:05 pm

        He seems to be rather careful in this regard, though he has given lip service to a “theology of woman.” Something on Stillman and Sevigny:

      • Posted by Julian O'Dea on August 13, 2014 at 11:44 pm

        Yes, but I think it actually is “lip service”. He also made a remark to a female journalist not long back in which he said that woman was made from the rib of man. He claimed it was a joke, but I suspect he was sending a message. Namely, that he is not a feminist, unlike JPII who called himself the “papa feminista”.

        JPII should not, in my opinion, have treated women separately from men in a document. Woman is always to be considered in relation to man, because she is a relational being.

        JPII had a sentimental view of women, and indeed of humanity in general, and seemed to think that a little bit of sweettalk would stop them clamoring for women’s ordination and having abortions and so on. I think Francis has fewer such illusions and has actually seen enough women in power to not have starry-eyed views about them.

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